P1LMS 2022 - 6h Estoril- Talk

Heres my take on our Race:

From our Teams perspective it couldn't been worse than yesterday. Qualifying was pretty decent with P6 and pretty much our maximum.
The start went also pretty well and we managed to gain 2-3 Spots after some differences inbetween our Opponents. 30mins into the Race we got collected in the big Accident in Sector 3 wich did cost us almost every chance of a Top 5 Result for this Race.
After over 3 Minutes of Repair and being back by 5 Laps to the Leader we headed back into the Race and tried to achieve atleast a Top 10 Result wich we kind of did by Luck. Over the next few hours we were struggeling really with traffic, sometimes to aggressive by us and sometimes to cautios so we lost another couple of Laps overall here too. In the End we managed to get back into the Top 10 with 14 Laps down.
Quiet frankly not the Result we wanted but still a lot of Experienced gained about the Car.

About the Traffic situation:
Personally I've experienced most of the time good Racing between the 3 Classes. Like I said above, sometimes too aggressive and sometimes too cautios from us.
BUT:
It seemed that the judgement by GTE's was to slow for the Speed differences between LMP1's and GTE's.
Very often I witnessed a GTE switching their Line when already a LMP1 was set to make a Pass on that GTE.
And also what I've witnessed a Lot was that GTE's didn't calculate for a lapping LMP1 under braking wich made them compromise their Turn-In into a Corner
so they almost turned into us while we were alongside of them.

The Final General take about yesterday:

For the Future I wish that Racecontrol will make use of a FCY for bigger Events/Crashes in the Race and even maybe start to callout slow damaged Cars, dangerous Situations from bigger Accidents etc. via Teamspeak Whisper. I know that Racecontrol can be very busy at times but I think that this will help for Everybodys Race in the Future.

 

In the end, it´s like always. LMP driver blame the GTE´s and GTE-driver blame the LMP driver.
I think we all have to practice more in traffic, so we are able to understand the perspective of the other classes.
Probably after the 3rd race everything will work fine, like last year.
@Marco you are right, a LMP1 hit should not decide the GTE winner, but that also works in the other direction. There were serveral GTEs and LMP2, who did weird shit, and take out the faster cars.
Everyone has to learn and respect the other classes.

 

So the most parts are covered unless one

Fix the pitlane

I want to say from the start yes the car wasnt visible for the admins, it was just bad luck. But maybe this problem wouldnt even appear with the rule from yesterday or generally a different pitlane. I stopped counting how often people had problems because of stuff like this. It just sucks for people who are practicing for a podium finish or race win but get knocked out because of problems with the pitlane. It just sucks.

Congratulations to the Podium, it was a tough race for everyone yesterday.

 

My 2cents:
-yes, traffic has been an overall issue but imho as Alex said it's not that much track-related, but more "mood-related".
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1408983123?t=1h19m14s an example from yesterday: this style of maneuvers can cause drama in every circuit if ends in the wrong way.
-i think some gte/lmp2 did loose or almost lost car control even when on racing line because drivers used to loose focus checking too much the mirrors: remember, the faster class has control on the move, not you. Be predictable, choose a line and stay there, prepare your corner exit to gain extra time. Be smart!
-i had to abort my 4th stint because of aero damages, in straights lmp2s were catching me, ok i got hit in the back 2 times and got blue diffuser but the big issues were coming from a car that DNF'd and was out of the garage (and invisible, dont ask me why, never happened, probably garage detail mult?). There are SO MUCH cars, and its extremely NICE to see: to the staff, please, if a car choose to DNF just remove it from the game.
-in the end we must be honest: its an amazing grid, so mixed, someone just want to enjoy the race, some other are extremely competitive and quick, the server was ultra smooth, we must be more a bit more responsible and overall take more care about the grid.

About the episode between our lmp2 car and the #46 seawolf: as Rik said, there was nothing, nothing, nothing intentional. And the incoming race will completely demonstrate it. Our P1 #7 will be a threat to be beat by herself.

maybe not 2cents but even 3/4 euros but its fine onto the next one!

 

Ok guys, I have received a ban for the next race. May i say some words?

I filed 2 claims against 2 drivers who caused 2 accidents that caused serious damage to our car in wich we lost almost 8 laps of repairing in the first 30 minutes of the race.

In my first claim against car #29, an S&G+60seconds was imposed on me now for not respecting a yellow flag.

On Lap 22 Car #29 while coming out of the last corner touched another car in its class and the two came to a stop in the wrong position.

In the images it can be seen that the other car driver makes the decision to leave the track and stays off it, waiting for the moment to rejoin to it safely, but the blue car against which I filed the claim resumed its march, drove on the gravel and stopped his car ON the track, pointing towards the cars that came from the opposite direction coming out of the last corner, placing the front half of the car ON the track... (he had a lot of time to decide to put back gear and go back to leave the track, but he decided to stay there) ...
when I came from the outside of the last corner, coming out of it and I find myself with the track intentionally obstructed by the other driver...
What is the result of the protest? I am responsible for the accident, according to the stewards, for not respecting a yellow flag caused voluntarily by the other driver.
So, S&G+60s to me.

So, the driver who decided to place his car ON the track and hinder the pass of the cars that were coming through the racing line, did not receive any penalty.

The second claim I filed was also rejected, despite the fact that the incident seriously damaged no less than 6 cars, after the driver I claimed lost control of his car on Lap 11, without any fight with any other driver, and caused a multiple accident ... So losing control of your car and causing a multiple accident, sending several cars into the pits for several laps, is not penalized.

However, during the race, just on the pitlap to swap drivers I lost control of the car going into the next corner where car #76 caused the massive crash before, and unfortunately i also caused a multiple crash. As a result, my mate who got into the car got +60sS&G a few laps later.

So losing control of the car and causing a multiple collsion has a heavy penalty during the race (live stewards), but losing control of the car and causing a multiple collision reviewed by the stewards after the race has no penalty.

Where is the consistency?

(I lost control of the car, because when adjusting things for the pitstop + driver swap I touched the buttons on the keyboard to jump into view of the other cars, so I had no view of my car for several seconds, until I was able to return to my cockpit view). Im so sorry for that, guys.

Well, at the end of the day the driver of the bad behavior on the track and banned for a race is me, without having received any post-race protest.

A bit curious.

 

I called out the upcoming cars on my Teammate, so we did our Job as a Car by stopping again in a Way that would've been safe IF People wouldn't ignore the Yellow Flags. And it actually wasn't more than 1/3 from the Car Ontrack since the Tracklimits are the White lines.
Your greediness to pass that GTE, ignoring/not paying attention to Yellow Flags has caused your own misery in that Situation.

 

After hitting the light blue car that is in the background, on the gravel, your driver resumed his run and calmly rolled over it, with the car fully controlled, to then stop it on the track and place it in the position shown in the screenshot.

I ask you: Why didn't you file a protest against me?

You did not because you feel embarrassed.

A third of a car? Really?

Only the RR tyre of your car is on the grass, dude.

BTW: What color is the flag waved by the rF2 steward there before the collision?

 

Hello. I appreciate you writing a few lines.
I only want to ask you please to explain one thing to me, because I was seriously punished for having caused the accident with car #29, since I would have collided with him during a yellow flag.

Could you tell me, please, at what exact moment before my collision with the #29 was that yellow flag active in the sim?

I couldn't find it, and that's why I'm asking you.

I have the right to that information, please.

Thanks.

 

Can you please tell me which lap this incident happened?